Created: May 25, 2008
Updated: Aug 19, 2008

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hi

 

I have a question for the systems administrator. Is it possible to get a contact?

 

thankyou kindly

 

tiku

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I would love to help, what is your question?
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hi Peggy,

 

Im interested in creating a website that maps out local communities, local food systems and local nature, based on the idea of 'usufruct'.  I would like it to work similar to Wiser Earth, as community editable directory, and perhaps I would like to use the Wiser Earth platform.

 

I do not have any knowledge of writing code, but would like to seek some professional advice before starting. I can send you some more information if you need.

 

It would be great if you had any advice on where to start.

 

thankyou

 

Tiku

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Tiku,


The first thing I would recommend you do is see if there are not already established groups in your community. We have certainly learned a lot through our process, and if I can help, I would love too. Feel free to send me an email with more details around your vision, and I can let you know whether WiserEarth might be best for the connections you are trying to create.

 

Peggy

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Hello Peggy


Thankyou for your last reply. Although the usufruct directory has remained in its first stages, I have since made the decision that it is a worthy project.

Having taken your suggestions to have a look around at existing directories I have discovered a gap in the amount of sustainable directories in Australia, and most noticably within my own community in Byron Bay. The concept of Usufruct seems at the core of the sustainability movement here.


The Usufruct Directory is different to others because it is fundamentally based on usufruct, A pattern language and has a focus on relocalisation. It is hoped to a bike centric (rather than car centric) map of local places and includes maps such as farmers markets, sacred sites, waterholes, and fruit trees.

The Usufruct design brief is here if you would like to view.
http://www.permaforesttrust.org.au/Members/tikuhelen/usufruct/

I would appriciate any feedback from how the wiser earth project has been created. As I have mentioned before, I am not a programmer, but would like to understand the work involved in getting something such as Wiser Earth together, including;


how many people in starting up and maintaining,
how to maintain,
what are the costs involved,
any other examples where organisations have used wiser earth platform.

kind regards
tiku

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Greetings Tiku,

I was just wondering why would you want to setup your own wiserplatform-based social network instead of using existing WiserEarth site?

What features are lacking from WiserEarth to fulfill your needs (in your own words) of a "a map and a directory of this network of patterns within each local community, that is designed in such a way that each individual act is always helping to create these larger community patterns. A resource for communication and cooperation, that is created and managed by the community is needed for patient and piecemeal growth of the community. In essence an infrastructure through which to collaborate our efforts and create a community that has these global patterns in it." ? Or to put it another way, how would you want WiserEarth be changed so it can fulfill your community's needs to network, communicate and collaborate?

Reading the usufruct link you provided, I'm guessing that by creating numerous WiserEarth groups corresponding to the number of communities you have there and building up connection and sharing resources between those groups, should be sufficient and even place your local network of communities within a larger ecosystem of communities and resources around the globe that would form during the course of WiserEarth growth in the years ahead. I imagine that your local community can even inspire other local communities in different countries by being present, visible and active in WiserEarth.

If this is of use to you, I have this ongoing conversation with Ben Brangwyn of the Transition Network where Ben is on the quest to find the perfect software platform for their initiatives (an international network of towns, village and cities collaborating to adapt to the duo-threat of climate change and peak oil). He provided me with a link to the ideal platform that can fulfill all their needs at http://transitiontowns.org/TransitionNetwork/TransitionSoftwarePlatform. To date, if he were to use existing platforms, he said that WiserEarth is the one best equipped when compared to other platforms (CrowdVine, Ning, Project Dirt, Celsias, MyEcoEarth, MakeMeSustainable , etc.) Perhaps there is something useful there for your initiative as well.

Appologies for chipping in my two cents uninvited.

Kind regards,
Bowo
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Tiku, Building WiserEarth was (and still is) an exciting yet very consuming project, specifically around the software aspect. Building softwares are costly, it requires expertise and also ongoing maintenance. Once one has a software, you still need to spend a lot of time on awareness and outreach around the solution you offer.

The biomimicry took the Wiser Platform to customize it (they will launch their site in Fall). The reason they needed to do so is because of the specificity of the field they serve, and the need for a taxonomy specific to biomimicry.

It seems like you may need to do what you need without spending time on softwares, there are a lot of open source softwares out there that might serve you. Also, as Bowo mentioned, there are ways for you to use WiserEarth in its current form.

Thanks for what you do,

Peggy

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Hello Peggy and Bowo,

 

I am just beginning to find my way through the groups and sub groups within the WiserEarth community. There is still quite alot to comprehend. To create our community network as a group on WiserEarth is something we definitely will consider.

 

The main reasons for wanting to create an independent website were to keep the focus on:

 

1. The taxonomy specific to usufruct;

2. To create editable maps specific for the taxa; and

3. To identify our community in a local context.

 

On the other hand, if we were to utilise existing infrastructure on the WiserEarth site, we could manage those things to fulfill our needs.

 

1. I would imagine the taxonomic structure of our community in the WiserEarth site to look like this:

 

Group                    Usufruct in the Byron Shire

 

Sub group            Local food

                               Community Gardens      etc

 

Perhaps we would then need to become editors of the Areas of Focus to create our unique sub groups, or super groups. (I dont think these would need to be visible on the AoF page).

 

some examples   City/Country Fingers (maps of farmers markets and local produce)

                                Magic of the City (bioregional information)

                                Sacred Sites (churches, cathedrals)

                                Common Land (plots useful for growing)

                                Bike paths (council maps converted to google maps)

                                Fruit Trees (overhanging fruit)

 

These sub groups could be shared as they become more useful to other groups.


2. Just as WiserEarth allows users to search and edit groups, organisations and people on its geographic maps system, It would be great if our community could edit these maps to fit in with the

different sub groups.  An example of this is fruit tree mapping.

 

 

3. Identifiable community. This is about simplicity. I don't think this really applies anymore. It seems the benefits of being connected to a larger global community are much greater than keeping within small localised ones.

 

So, if it were possible that WiserEarth be changed so it can fulfill all of our community's needs to network, communicate and collaborate, I think  the most important  thing is the function of geographic maps systems. It is the smaller detailed network of patterns that our community could use within the larger Wiserearth community. It is similar to the structure of a network of fungi and bacteria within the soil.

 

Our group will be brainstorming in the next few days and would like to keep in contact. Please forgive me if I have not understood the process of forming a group properly.

 

Thankyou again

 

Tiku

 

 

 

 

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Tiku,

 

Think I now understand your needs better.

 

Before presenting my thoughts on how WiserEarth can probably serve your needs, I'd like to clarify/inform the following points (which you may already know about):

  • In essence, there's only groups and there's no such thing as sub-groups in WiserEarth. Regardless, like the example we have in the WiserEarth Editors group, where we needed to collaborate and focus on specific projects to improve various aspects of the site, we created "working groups" and "link" each to the group's homepage (in the "Related Groups" section). The process of "link"-ing is a manual search-and-click-to-add. And the label "Related Groups" can be changed to anything a group admin like (in our case, it's "Working groups - hop in anytime!").
  • WiserEarth Areas of Focus taxonomy is a categorization of issues, where each area of focus (AoF) has a portal page (in essence, a standard WiserEarth wikipage), and can be tagged to other WiserEarth entities (people, organizations, groups, resources, events and jobs). There's no group, sub-group or super-group for each AoF. There's just people and a bunch of people in groups who contribute in editing the AoF portal pages.

So, in light of this, here's my thoughts on how WiserEarth can serve your needs with an emphasis on the main purpose of, in your own words, "fulfill all of our community's needs to network, communicate and collaborate, I think  the most important  thing is the function of geographic maps systems"

 

 

1. The taxonomy specific to usufruct;

 

  • Addition to the taxonomy is possible and there's precedence for this. However, the way WiserEarth's AoF taxonomy is in a two-tiered hierarchy going from general (Main AoF) to more specific (Sub AoF), I'm not quite sure it can accommodate very detailed AoF like sacred sites, bike paths, etc. The umbrella concept usufruct can I think be placed within the Conservation Main AoF as a Sub AoF as it has a Sub AoF called Land Stewardship. You'll need to suggest this addition in the WiserEarth Area of Focus Suggestions group.
  • Another possibility is to use the Land Stewardship. Sub AoF to tag all entities in your group and add the word "usufruct" and any one of "sacred sites, bike paths, etc." in keywords field of all entities pages, which would probably be a resource page.
  • Suggest that the AoF taxonomy be expanded into a three-tiered system and add more specific usufruct AoFs under an Usufruct Sub AoF? Not sure this would be a good move as we already have keywords to add aditional tags to entities. You can suggest this in the WiserEarth Suggestions group.
  • There's another upcoming (around September) WiserEarth entity called solutions. It is actually a directory of peer-reviewed solutions that employes a different set of taxonomy for each community of practice (who will review the solutions submitted). So, if the solutions relates to land stewardship, the solutions can be tagged with a taxonomy specific to it. This taxonomy subset will not be visible on the main WiserEarth Areas of Focus taxonomy, and will only be used by each particular community of practice to tag solutions. Thus, I imagine that bit of code to create the subset of taxonomy can be integrated into WiserEarth groups as a feature to accommodate the needs of initiatives like yours. Don't really know if this is technically possible or a good feature upgrade in the overall scheme of things. (You can view a demo of the solutions object from the bulleting board of the Conservation Yellow Pages group.
  • Another possibility is that you just create one group for each locality (Byron Shire in this case) and purely use keywords to tag any entities in your group. The group search function should be able to filter entities tagged with each keyword. The keywords can be your desired taxonomy (City/Country Fingers, Magic of the City, Sacred Sites, Common Land, Bike paths, Fruit Trees, etc). You can then create a wikipage to accomodate links to each search result for each keyword(s) and have a wikipage or a resource page for an Usufruct Taxonomy.
  • If you need people of Byron Shire to work on specific aspect of your community (e.g. community gardens), you can then create a group called (perhaps) "Byron Shire community gardeners", "Byron Shire small business owners", etc. where members of those group be made members of the umbrella group "Usufruct in the Byron Shire". These "sub-groups" can be linked to the umbrella group as explained at the beginning of this comment of mine.
  • Other localities "Usufruct in the Constantine Shire", "Usufruct in the Queens Shire" can "link" to entities from your group and help edit/improve them. This includes that Usufruct Taxonomy page and maps for each pattern (bike path, feral fruits, etc.).

 

2. To create editable maps specific for the taxa

 

First and foremost, WiserEarth is a community directory and networking forum, it is not a platform to perform collaborative image editing though it is a platform for collaborative text editing (as you know). Don't know if WiserEarth should direct its resources to enable the former (image editing), but I would say that's an overkill for the near future.

 

Thus, hinting from the blog article you mentioned, a solution for this would I imagine be:

  • Use existing mapping tools like Google Maps to get a detailed map of your locality.
  • Upload all those maps to a Flickr usufruct_byron_shire account and have each of your WiserEarth group member create a Flickr account too (which they may already have) to perform collaborative editing (note-attaching) to the maps.
  • Use other image editing platform for differnt needs (bike paths, etc.) and follow the same route to get your community members to help edit them.
  • For those maps in Flickr (with notes), enable embedding in WiserEarth pages. A good solution is one called Mbedr which enable precisely that. Security-wise, not sure how WiserEarth can take in such embedding. But necessity-wise, I think this is a solution that wants to be born.
  • Or, you can provide the image file in the "Files and Photos" tab of each resource page, and have group members download them and perform edits to then upload and insert them again for the group to see.
  • Thus, you can have numerous locality-specific resource pages, each containing a Flickr map (with notes) or maps edited with other softwares to represent a pattern in your community.
  • You can share each page with any other related groups (other localities, or "sub-groups") as this is a standard feature in WiserEarth.
  • You can "network" those patterns either by a superimposed maps (with Flickr? or with more powerful desktop softwares) or via the entity "Network"-ing feature in WiserEarth (available in the Network tab of each entity page).

 

3. To identify our community in a local context.

 

Answered.

 

Conclusions:

  • This is pretty much a brainstorming process for myself, so things may seem overly complex as it is an exploration for a solution. Hope things gets clearer as this discussion moves forward.
  • To Peggy: perhaps we need to resurrect the idea of a tagging system for WiserEarth, which will be a parallel to the AoF taxonomy and can replace current "keywords" field in entities page? This should allow groups to easily create their own "taxonomy" while allowing it to be used and shared by others.
  • With one severe limitation: collaborative map editing needs to be done elsewhere, I think WiserEarth can pretty much fulfill your needs.

Hope this helps. Let me know if I misunderstood your needs, missed something or you would like to clarify my points.

 

Best wishes,

Bowo

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To Peggy:

 

Just discovered the following sentences at the bottom of Mbedr's  website:


Mbedr is not affiliated with, endorsed or supported by Flickr or Yahoo!. It uses a small amount of code from FNClient. To leave comments or bug reports, see this blog post. For downloads and development notes, there's a project scratchpad. Once I've cleaned up the code, I'll release it so you can host your own instance.

 

Looks like the code will be released under some sort of public license. An integration with WiserEarth platform? Will suggest this in the suggestion group later.
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